Legislature(1999 - 2000)

02/16/2000 09:03 AM Senate FIN

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SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                                        
LOG NOTES                                                                                                                       
02/16/00                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
GENERAL SUBJECT(S):                                                                                                             
Overview:                                                                                                                       
Presentation by Alaska Tourism Industry Association                                                                             
And                                                                                                                             
Alaska Tourism Marketing Council                                                                                                
Status Report on Tourism Reorganization and Marketing Efforts                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The following overview was taken in log note format.  Tapes and                                                                 
handouts will be on file with the Senate Finance Committee through the                                                          
21st Legislative Session, contact 465-4935.  After the 21st                                                                     
Legislative session they will be available through the Legislative                                                              
Library at 465-3808.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Time Meeting Convened:  9:03 AM                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Tape(s):  SFC-00 # 28 Side A                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Parnell                                                                                                                 
Senator Adams                                                                                                                   
Senator Torgerson                                                                                                               
Senator P. Kelly                                                                                                                
Senator Donley                                                                                                                  
Senator Green                                                                                                                   
Senator Phillips                                                                                                                
NOT PRESENT:                                                                                                                    
Senator Wilken                                                                                                                  
Senator Leman                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT:                                                                                                                   
SENATOR ELTON                                                                                                                   
ANN CAMPBELL, CHAIR, ALASKA TOURISM INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION                                                                        
TINA LINDGREN,                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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SPEAKER                                                                                                                         
DISCUSSION                                                                                                                      
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CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Introduction                                                                                                                    
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ANN CAMPBELL,                                                                                                                   
CHAIR, ALASKA                                                                                                                   
TRAVEL INDUSTRY                                                                                                                 
ASSOCIATION                                                                                                                     
Small business owner                                                                                                            
Describe her background in tourism.                                                                                             
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In this presentation, I will outline where                                                                                      
we are in the reorganization and where we                                                                                       
would like to go.                                                                                                               
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Handout: ATIA Update                                                                                                            
Describe what information it contains. The                                                                                      
first page is a summary of the                                                                                                  
organizational efforts. The next two pages                                                                                      
is the fiscal note that was adopted with                                                                                        
last year's legislation. There is a page                                                                                        
from the millennium plan that recaps the                                                                                        
budget assumptions. Finally, the handout                                                                                        
contains information on new membership,                                                                                         
membership benefits and the dues structure.                                                                                     
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SB 107 was passed last year.  The intent is                                                                                     
for the private sector to pay more and to                                                                                       
also raise more money for tourism                                                                                               
marketing.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
The reorganization is going well.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
We spent the summer months looking for                                                                                          
charter members who would be responsible                                                                                        
for the election of the first board of                                                                                          
directors.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
We have 1056 members. Those members                                                                                             
represent many different types and sizes of                                                                                     
businesses with the primary representation                                                                                      
being smaller businesses.                                                                                                       
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The charter members elected 17 directors                                                                                        
from across the state to serve on the                                                                                           
board. There is a very good representation                                                                                      
of the industry from convention and visitor                                                                                     
bureaus, a cruise company, wilderness lodge                                                                                     
operators, hotels, small retail stores, bed                                                                                     
and breakfast owners, small consultant                                                                                          
firms, etc.                                                                                                                     
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The first order of business for the board                                                                                       
was to adopt bylaws and elect officers.                                                                                         
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We then began looking for a president and                                                                                       
chief operating officer. We hired Tina                                                                                          
Lindgren for that position.                                                                                                     
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We filled out the remaining six seats on                                                                                        
the board with appointed members. Two of                                                                                        
those members represent cruise companies,                                                                                       
one represents a small rafting operation,                                                                                       
one is highway operator, one represents a                                                                                       
Native corporation and one is a                                                                                                 
representative of the Anchorage Convention                                                                                      
and Visitor's Bureau.                                                                                                           
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We also continued our outreach efforts to                                                                                       
recruit members. We held five marketing                                                                                         
forums across the state. While not hugely                                                                                       
attended, those who were present                                                                                                
participated greatly.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
A meeting was held in January to determine                                                                                      
the goals of the association.                                                                                                   
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Beginning to address the structural issues,                                                                                     
such as a dues structure.                                                                                                       
The original millennium plan was to have                                                                                        
two tiers of memberships. We added two more                                                                                     
categories. The first was for very small                                                                                        
businesses, that are not ready to fully                                                                                         
utilize the services of the association the                                                                                     
second was for businesses that serve                                                                                            
visitor industry businesses. We also                                                                                            
created an individual category. The intent                                                                                      
of the new categories was to ensure                                                                                             
participation by all.                                                                                                           
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We are planning an upcoming membership                                                                                          
drive to recruit new members and raise more                                                                                     
money.                                                                                                                          
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We are addressed transitional                                                                                                   
organizational issues such as the legal and                                                                                     
accounting procedures for transferring                                                                                          
funds from the previous organization.                                                                                           
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The board has concerns with the sunset of                                                                                       
the previous Alaska Tourism Marketing                                                                                           
Council (ATMC). It is important that those                                                                                      
usage rights are available to the new                                                                                           
organization.                                                                                                                   
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CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Describe usage rights.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. CAMPBELL                                                                                                                    
Copyrights on photos and advertisements,                                                                                        
etc.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
What is the hold up?                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. CAMPBELL                                                                                                                    
There is no holdup we just need to deal                                                                                         
with it before the ATMC sunset.                                                                                                 
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The timelines established in the bill call                                                                                      
for a finalized contract this August. That                                                                                      
date is too late for us, we are hoping for                                                                                      
April. We are already making commitments                                                                                        
without a contract, such as for a vacation                                                                                      
planner.                                                                                                                        
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Our commitment is to raise the $2 million                                                                                       
match. The different revenue sources                                                                                            
include community contributions, which will                                                                                     
come through convention and visitor                                                                                             
bureaus. A committee has been formed to                                                                                         
establish a method of garnering these                                                                                           
contributions.                                                                                                                  
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Another revenue source is cruise ship                                                                                           
contributions. I have been told they are                                                                                        
committed to participation in our                                                                                               
organization.                                                                                                                   
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There is also membership driven revenue                                                                                         
sources that we need to establish.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
We are trying to accomplish two things. One                                                                                     
is to include the very small businesses and                                                                                     
the other is to raise additional funds.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
The growth in visitation has been slipping                                                                                      
and we need to increase the available                                                                                           
marketing funds to put Alaska back in                                                                                           
front.                                                                                                                          
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We appreciate the flexibility of the                                                                                            
legislature to use private funds.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
We have depleted the cooperative marketing                                                                                      
funds.                                                                                                                          
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The millennium plan has consistently                                                                                            
requested $5 million for the first year to                                                                                      
build up the marketing program. We need to                                                                                      
also raise at least $2.5 million from                                                                                           
private sources. We may have the ability to                                                                                     
raise more.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The intent is to phase the contribution by                                                                                      
the legislature down to $4 million in the                                                                                       
third year.                                                                                                                     
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We are committed to producing a vacation                                                                                        
planner and a creating website this year.                                                                                       
We intend to continue to work with the                                                                                          
Division of Tourism in the transition.                                                                                          
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An important issue for the tourism                                                                                              
marketing effort is a separate BRU                                                                                              
allocation for the marketing contract, so                                                                                       
there is no confusion of what funds go                                                                                          
where.                                                                                                                          
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CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
I thought that was clear. What is the hold                                                                                      
up?                                                                                                                             
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MS. CAMPBELL                                                                                                                    
It is not clear, there has been some                                                                                            
questions about the department's budget.                                                                                        
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CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
What is not clear? Part of my job is to                                                                                         
ensure that funds are used according to                                                                                         
legislative intent. If there is a problem,                                                                                      
it is our job to fix it. I have heard some                                                                                      
grumbling from businesses as to how the                                                                                         
program is carried out.                                                                                                         
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MS. CAMPBELL                                                                                                                    
Refer to the fiscal note included in the                                                                                        
handout compared to the governor's proposed                                                                                     
FY01 budget. It is confusing to us what is                                                                                      
the intent of the legislature. We want to                                                                                       
know if the organization will be receiving                                                                                      
the full $5 million.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS                                                                                                                
Are we paying attention to the governor's                                                                                       
budget?                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. CAMPBELL                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
You talked about finalizing a contract by                                                                                       
April. What has to happen to get that                                                                                           
contract into place?                                                                                                            
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MS. CAMPBELL                                                                                                                    
The organization and the division need to                                                                                       
decide the broad goals of the program and                                                                                       
the major components will be. To us, the                                                                                        
major components would be things such as                                                                                        
domestic marketing, international                                                                                               
marketing, highway marketing, inquiry                                                                                           
fulfillment, etc. We would then develop a                                                                                       
marketing program to implement, present the                                                                                     
program to the division and agree to final                                                                                      
terms.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
We are encountering a legitimate                                                                                                
philosophical difference with the division                                                                                      
as to what is an appropriate list of                                                                                            
components, who will make that decision,                                                                                        
how and under what timeframe.                                                                                                   
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CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Is it differences with interpretation of                                                                                        
the legislation? Is the legislation that                                                                                        
open?                                                                                                                           
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MS. CAMPBELL                                                                                                                    
Yes. It is clear that once we put together                                                                                      
a plan, the division will review and                                                                                            
approve it. What is unclear is who most                                                                                         
represents the visitor industry and how are                                                                                     
we going to decide the elements of the                                                                                          
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
We have met with the division weekly since                                                                                      
the beginning of January.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
The suggestions of the division we feel are                                                                                     
too narrow. We think the scope of the                                                                                           
program should focus on all aspects of the                                                                                      
visitor industry.                                                                                                               
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CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Is it fair to say that the division is                                                                                          
trying to maintain more participation than                                                                                      
you intend?                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. CAMPBELL                                                                                                                    
The question is to how to structure what                                                                                        
will be accomplished.                                                                                                           
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CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Other visitor industry people have                                                                                              
expressed the same frustration to me. Are                                                                                       
you at an impasse with you negotiations? If                                                                                     
so, what can we do to help?                                                                                                     
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MS. CAMPBELL                                                                                                                    
We are concerned that this needs to move                                                                                        
along at a faster pace.                                                                                                         
We think a separate BRU would be helpful to                                                                                     
make the funding very clear.                                                                                                    
Finally, we need to understand who is to be                                                                                     
involved in the decision making.                                                                                                
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CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
You don't feel that was clear in the                                                                                            
legislation?                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. CAMPBELL                                                                                                                    
I don't think it is clear to all parties.                                                                                       
We each believe it is clear, but differ in                                                                                      
our consensus.                                                                                                                  
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SENATOR PHILLIPS                                                                                                                
Are you asking for an increase in funding                                                                                       
over last year?                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
There was an increase in contractual funds.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. CAMPBELL                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS                                                                                                                
I'm asking the same question to other                                                                                           
groups.                                                                                                                         
I understand what you are saying in regards                                                                                     
to timing and marketing.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
TINA LINDGREN,                                                                                                                  
PRESIDENT, ALASKA                                                                                                               
TRAVEL INDUSTRY                                                                                                                 
ASSOCIATION                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Yes and no. When the enabling legislation                                                                                       
was first introduced, the sponsor's                                                                                             
intended was that private matching funds                                                                                        
would not be contributed to the state                                                                                           
program receipt authority as in the past.                                                                                       
This year, between the division and ATMC,                                                                                       
the program receipts total $6.7 million                                                                                         
being spent. The fiscal note for next year                                                                                      
shows $5.9 million. More will be spent                                                                                          
because more will be raised, but the state                                                                                      
portion will go down.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
We understand that the division has been                                                                                        
combined with two other divisions,                                                                                              
therefore it is hard to compare apples to                                                                                       
oranges.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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MS. CAMPBELL                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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SENATOR GREEN                                                                                                                   
Why don't we have a department fiscal note                                                                                      
for comparison? I would like to see one.                                                                                        
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CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
This is the fiscal note that from last year                                                                                     
that accompanied the legislation.                                                                                               
Explain Ms. Lindgren's answer as to the                                                                                         
governor's allocation. When the department                                                                                      
submitted its budget with the governor's                                                                                        
budget request, functions and divisions                                                                                         
were combined making it difficult to                                                                                            
determine what funds go where.                                                                                                  
He suggested the budget subcommittees could                                                                                     
address this.                                                                                                                   
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SENATOR GREEN                                                                                                                   
The effective date is awkward because it                                                                                        
doesn't leave any of the players in an                                                                                          
enviable place. The contracts have to be                                                                                        
made early yet we are on a rigid schedule                                                                                       
to make appropriations.                                                                                                         
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CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Effective date of SB 107?                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN                                                                                                                   
Yes. Because there is going to be a long                                                                                        
transition.                                                                                                                     
We also need to know how successful the new                                                                                     
group will be with fundraising so we can                                                                                        
plan for next year.                                                                                                             
This is supposed to be cooperative.                                                                                             
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SENATOR PHILLIPS                                                                                                                
Is independent highway traffic up or down?                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
GINNY FAY, ACTING                                                                                                               
DIRECTOR, DIVISION                                                                                                              
OF TOURISM,                                                                                                                     
DEPARTMENT OF                                                                                                                   
COMMUNITY AND                                                                                                                   
ECONOMIC                                                                                                                        
DEVELOPMENT                                                                                                                     
[Out of range] About even.                                                                                                      
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SENATOR GREEN                                                                                                                   
Section 8 shows an effective date of July                                                                                       
1,2002.                                                                                                                         
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MS. LINDGREN                                                                                                                    
The effective date is this year. You are                                                                                        
looking at the date when the matching funds                                                                                     
requirement is to go up.                                                                                                        
The greatest challenge is not knowing what                                                                                      
amount you will fund. It is a matching                                                                                          
program.                                                                                                                        
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CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
This is difficult because I thought we                                                                                          
would be reducing state personnel with the                                                                                      
private sector taking over some of the                                                                                          
functions. He had hoped to see a saving for                                                                                     
the state. To date there has been no                                                                                            
reduction.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
AT  EASE 9:35 AM                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                                        
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